In article <JcQHh.10282$Jl.36@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, Stupendous Man <Mr@Incredible.USA> wrote: > This is an excellent OP Ed piece from the Wall Street Journal of all > publications, and shows Joe Wilson for the blatant liar he was and still > is! It's a shame Joe Wilson is not on trial for perjury and waiting to > be sentenced right now instead of Scooter Libby! It also shows clearly > that the Bush administration lied about nothing concerning the follow-up > to the War in Iraq and when you see these facts you'll understand why > the diverse liberal intellectual democratic affiliated minds said the > following - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WLqIlt39ws > > But first the OP Ed piece from the Wall Street journal: > > http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540 This belies the facts. George Tenant is on record testifying before congress that he felt we should NOT invade Iraq. You don't have to believe me, nor even the Wall Street Journal, just do the google search yourself and check the Senate's web site to verify my claim. The author is also clearly a neo-con and hardly an unbiased source. Here's what Bush himself said BEFORE Joe Wilson did his work ... "Today Saddam Hussein has the scientists and infrastructure for a nuclear weapons program, and has illicitly sought to purchase the equipment needed to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon. Should his regime acquire fissile material, it would be able to build a nuclear weapon within a year." This is from Bush's radio speech on Sept. 14, 2002 The link is http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020914.html In his State of the Union Speech on January 28, 2003, Bush said "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. In such quantities, these chemical agents could also kill untold thousands. He's not accounted for these materials. He has given no evidence that he has destroyed them." The link is here http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-23.html knowing what we know now, it is reasonable to ask why Bush has opposed at every turn setting up an independent and unbiased panel to research why this intelligence was clearly wrong and why Bush relied on it so much without bothering to do any kind of verification before sending thousands of young Americans off to die in Iraq and wasting billions of our tax dollars. What has Bush to hide by supporting a truly independent investigation of the Iraq war intelligence? The lies Bush told go beyond those involving Joe Wilson, for example, back on 2003, Bush said "It goes on to say, although we assess that Saddam does not yet have nuclear weapons or sufficient material to make any, he remains intent on acquiring them. Most agencies assess that Baghdad started reconstituting its nuclear program at the time that UNSCOM inspectors departed, December of 1998." and in this same press conference, here we see " As we've already disclosed publicly, George Tenet had a brief telephone conversation with me during the clearance process for the October 7 Cincinnati speech. This was the one -- he asked that any reference to Iraq's attempt to purchase uranium from sources from Africa to be deleted from the speech. The language he was referring to when he made that call was language that said the following -- and I'll just quote it -- "And the regime has been caught attempting to purchase substantial amounts of uranium oxide from sources in Africa, and a central ingredient in the enrichment process." The link is http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030722-12.html So we see here in Bush's own press conference that the White House admits it was asked by the CIA not to include any references to the report that Joe Wilson claimed was bogus. And in the very same document, it goes on to say " On page three of that memorandum, there's a reference to a sentence that appears in draft six of the Cincinnati speech. And that sentence read as follows: "And the regime" -- and here they're talking about the Iraqi regime -- "And the regime has been caught attempting to purchase up to 500 metric tons of uranium oxide from sources in Africa, and the central ingredient for the enrichment process." Now, with respect to that sentence, the October 5 CIA memorandum asked that we remove the sentence because the amount, 500 tons, is in dispute and it is debatable whether it can be acquired from the source. " If you read the above document on the White Hose web site, you can already see that the Bush administration is squirming about its claim that Saddam was trying to get materials to build nuclear weapons. Bush is a liar, pure and simple. By the way, where are the WMD?

"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message news:srhi-7445F5.07410108032007@newsgroups.comcast.net... > In article <JcQHh.10282$Jl.36@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > Stupendous Man <Mr@Incredible.USA> wrote: > >> This is an excellent OP Ed piece from the Wall Street Journal of all >> publications, and shows Joe Wilson for the blatant liar he was and still >> is! It's a shame Joe Wilson is not on trial for perjury and waiting to >> be sentenced right now instead of Scooter Libby! It also shows clearly >> that the Bush administration lied about nothing concerning the follow-up >> to the War in Iraq and when you see these facts you'll understand why >> the diverse liberal intellectual democratic affiliated minds said the >> following - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WLqIlt39ws >> >> But first the OP Ed piece from the Wall Street journal: >> >> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540 > > This belies the facts. George Tenant is on record testifying before > congress that he felt we should NOT invade Iraq. You don't have to > believe me, nor even the Wall Street Journal, just do the google search > yourself and check the Senate's web site to verify my claim. > > The author is also clearly a neo-con and hardly an unbiased source. > > Here's what Bush himself said BEFORE Joe Wilson did his work ... > > "Today Saddam Hussein has the scientists and infrastructure for a > nuclear weapons program, and has illicitly sought to purchase the > equipment needed to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon. Should his > regime acquire fissile material, it would be able to build a nuclear > weapon within a year." > > This is from Bush's radio speech on Sept. 14, 2002 > > The link is > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020914.html > > In his State of the Union Speech on January 28, 2003, Bush said > > "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the > materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve > agent. In such quantities, these chemical agents could also kill untold > thousands. He's not accounted for these materials. He has given no > evidence that he has destroyed them." > > The link is here > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-23.html > > knowing what we know now, it is reasonable to ask why Bush has opposed > at every turn setting up an independent and unbiased panel to research > why this intelligence was clearly wrong and why Bush relied on it so > much without bothering to do any kind of verification before sending > thousands of young Americans off to die in Iraq and wasting billions of > our tax dollars. What has Bush to hide by supporting a truly independent > investigation of the Iraq war intelligence? > > The lies Bush told go beyond those involving Joe Wilson, for example, > back on 2003, Bush said > > "It goes on to say, although we assess that Saddam does not yet have > nuclear weapons or sufficient material to make any, he remains intent on > acquiring them. Most agencies assess that Baghdad started reconstituting > its nuclear program at the time that UNSCOM inspectors departed, > December of 1998." > > and in this same press conference, here we see > > " As we've already disclosed publicly, George Tenet had a brief > telephone conversation with me during the clearance process for the > October 7 Cincinnati speech. This was the one -- he asked that any > reference to Iraq's attempt to purchase uranium from sources from Africa > to be deleted from the speech. The language he was referring to when he > made that call was language that said the following -- and I'll just > quote it -- "And the regime has been caught attempting to purchase > substantial amounts of uranium oxide from sources in Africa, and a > central ingredient in the enrichment process." > > > The link is > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030722-12.html > > So we see here in Bush's own press conference that the White House > admits it was asked by the CIA not to include any references to the > report that Joe Wilson claimed was bogus. > > And in the very same document, it goes on to say > > " On page three of that memorandum, there's a reference to a sentence > that appears in draft six of the Cincinnati speech. And that sentence > read as follows: "And the regime" -- and here they're talking about the > Iraqi regime -- "And the regime has been caught attempting to purchase > up to 500 metric tons of uranium oxide from sources in Africa, and the > central ingredient for the enrichment process." > > Now, with respect to that sentence, the October 5 CIA memorandum asked > that we remove the sentence because the amount, 500 tons, is in dispute > and it is debatable whether it can be acquired from the source. " > > If you read the above document on the White Hose web site, you can > already see that the Bush administration is squirming about its claim > that Saddam was trying to get materials to build nuclear weapons. > > Bush is a liar, pure and simple. By the way, where are the WMD? Tell us that the WMD wasn't shipped to the Baathists in Syria as Saddam's former General says, and as a top former secret intelligence agent who defected from Syria has said as well! You mean to tell us that the President who comforted the victims of 9/11 and spent time with their families, and who promised to do something about terrorism, was simply playing them for fools like Clinton would? Clinton is still lying and not admitting he had 13 different opportunities via his CIA to kill Osama Bin Laden and either he or his people underneath him would never okay it! Clinton had to push for a Mid-East peace process when my former Shiite Muslim friend was telling me in 1998, that Clinton was a fool, because the PLO only wanted the destruction of Israel and the West - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0ObL2Clh8g, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvpKQTjAb2U, and then Clinton stopped Robert Baer in 1995 from working with one of Saddam's former Generals and the Kurds in overthrowing him from within. Plus what did you want to wait for Shawn? Did you want him to acquire Nuclear weapons, since he still had his scientists, and his infrastructure, and even his scientists admitted he was only 6 months away from reconstituting his Nuclear Program, is that what you really wanted Shawn? For us to have to worry about roadside Nuclear IEDs or Dirty Bomb IEDs or mortars used against our Military? Did you really want to see Hamas running into some part of Israel with an back-pack A-Bomb or Dirty Bomb and see deaths in the tens of thousands? You know he was willing to do it because Clinton's own CIA caught him on tape saying so - http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=124645380&blogID=217316562& MyToken=f796d2f6-ebd8-442c-9241-39dfff5dd4d5 When you fail to study and learn from History Shawn - http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/index.html - you are doomed to never learn its lessons Shawn - http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/. TRON http://www.tron-sector.com/ PS>Even after the war had started in 1939, a war Borah had repeatedly stated in public would never happen and that he curiously labeled as "phony" after its inception, the Senator lamented, "Lord, if I could only have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided." - http://www.kevincmurphy.com/williamborah4.html

In article <SzXHh.7742$PL.2232@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "TRON" <tron@gwbasic.ibm> wrote: > "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:srhi-7445F5.07410108032007@newsgroups.comcast.net... > > In article <JcQHh.10282$Jl.36@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, > > Stupendous Man <Mr@Incredible.USA> wrote: > > > >> This is an excellent OP Ed piece from the Wall Street Journal of all > >> publications, and shows Joe Wilson for the blatant liar he was and still > >> is! It's a shame Joe Wilson is not on trial for perjury and waiting to > >> be sentenced right now instead of Scooter Libby! It also shows clearly > >> that the Bush administration lied about nothing concerning the follow-up > >> to the War in Iraq and when you see these facts you'll understand why > >> the diverse liberal intellectual democratic affiliated minds said the > >> following - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WLqIlt39ws > >> > >> But first the OP Ed piece from the Wall Street journal: > >> > >> http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007540 > > > > This belies the facts. George Tenant is on record testifying before > > congress that he felt we should NOT invade Iraq. You don't have to > > believe me, nor even the Wall Street Journal, just do the google search > > yourself and check the Senate's web site to verify my claim. > > > > The author is also clearly a neo-con and hardly an unbiased source. > > > > Here's what Bush himself said BEFORE Joe Wilson did his work ... > > > > "Today Saddam Hussein has the scientists and infrastructure for a > > nuclear weapons program, and has illicitly sought to purchase the > > equipment needed to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon. Should his > > regime acquire fissile material, it would be able to build a nuclear > > weapon within a year." > > > > This is from Bush's radio speech on Sept. 14, 2002 > > > > The link is > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/09/20020914.html > > > > In his State of the Union Speech on January 28, 2003, Bush said > > > > "Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the > > materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve > > agent. In such quantities, these chemical agents could also kill untold > > thousands. He's not accounted for these materials. He has given no > > evidence that he has destroyed them." > > > > The link is here > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-23.html > > > > knowing what we know now, it is reasonable to ask why Bush has opposed > > at every turn setting up an independent and unbiased panel to research > > why this intelligence was clearly wrong and why Bush relied on it so > > much without bothering to do any kind of verification before sending > > thousands of young Americans off to die in Iraq and wasting billions of > > our tax dollars. What has Bush to hide by supporting a truly independent > > investigation of the Iraq war intelligence? > > > > The lies Bush told go beyond those involving Joe Wilson, for example, > > back on 2003, Bush said > > > > "It goes on to say, although we assess that Saddam does not yet have > > nuclear weapons or sufficient material to make any, he remains intent on > > acquiring them. Most agencies assess that Baghdad started reconstituting > > its nuclear program at the time that UNSCOM inspectors departed, > > December of 1998." > > > > and in this same press conference, here we see > > > > " As we've already disclosed publicly, George Tenet had a brief > > telephone conversation with me during the clearance process for the > > October 7 Cincinnati speech. This was the one -- he asked that any > > reference to Iraq's attempt to purchase uranium from sources from Africa > > to be deleted from the speech. The language he was referring to when he > > made that call was language that said the following -- and I'll just > > quote it -- "And the regime has been caught attempting to purchase > > substantial amounts of uranium oxide from sources in Africa, and a > > central ingredient in the enrichment process." > > > > > > The link is > > http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/07/20030722-12.html > > > > So we see here in Bush's own press conference that the White House > > admits it was asked by the CIA not to include any references to the > > report that Joe Wilson claimed was bogus. > > > > And in the very same document, it goes on to say > > > > " On page three of that memorandum, there's a reference to a sentence > > that appears in draft six of the Cincinnati speech. And that sentence > > read as follows: "And the regime" -- and here they're talking about the > > Iraqi regime -- "And the regime has been caught attempting to purchase > > up to 500 metric tons of uranium oxide from sources in Africa, and the > > central ingredient for the enrichment process." > > > > Now, with respect to that sentence, the October 5 CIA memorandum asked > > that we remove the sentence because the amount, 500 tons, is in dispute > > and it is debatable whether it can be acquired from the source. " > > > > If you read the above document on the White Hose web site, you can > > already see that the Bush administration is squirming about its claim > > that Saddam was trying to get materials to build nuclear weapons. > > > > Bush is a liar, pure and simple. By the way, where are the WMD? > > Tell us that the WMD wasn't shipped to the Baathists in Syria as Saddam's > former General says, and as a top former secret intelligence agent who > defected from Syria has said as well! You mean to tell us that the > President who comforted the victims of 9/11 and spent time with their > families, and who promised to do something about terrorism, was simply > playing them for fools like Clinton would? Clinton is still lying and not > admitting he had 13 different opportunities via his CIA to kill Osama Bin > Laden and either he or his people underneath him would never okay it! > Clinton had to push for a Mid-East peace process when my former Shiite > Muslim friend was telling me in 1998, that Clinton was a fool, because the > PLO only wanted the destruction of Israel and the West - > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0ObL2Clh8g, > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvpKQTjAb2U, and then Clinton stopped Robert > Baer in 1995 from working with one of Saddam's former Generals and the Kurds > in overthrowing him from within. > > Plus what did you want to wait for Shawn? Did you want him to acquire > Nuclear weapons, since he still had his scientists, and his infrastructure, > and even his scientists admitted he was only 6 months away from > reconstituting his Nuclear Program, is that what you really wanted Shawn? > For us to have to worry about roadside Nuclear IEDs or Dirty Bomb IEDs or > mortars used against our Military? Did you really want to see Hamas running > into some part of Israel with an back-pack A-Bomb or Dirty Bomb and see > deaths in the tens of thousands? You know he was willing to do it because > Clinton's own CIA caught him on tape saying so - > http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=124645380&blog > ID=217316562&MyToken=f796d2f6-ebd8-442c-9241-39dfff5dd4d5 > > When you fail to study and learn from History Shawn - > http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/index.html - you are > doomed to never learn its lessons Shawn - > http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/. Learn from history? Evidently, you forgot about Vietnam. You also seem to foster that myth that Iraq had something to do with the 9/11 attacks. WMD may have been shipped to the Baathists in Syria, so why would attacking Iraq resolve that problem?