Group: ca.politics




Subject: Chavez to U.S.... Go to hell!
From: ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Karen Gordon)
Date: 1/22/2007 3:25:58 AM
(K): Can't help cheering for a little guy that's not only stood up to the U.S. bully, but has the intestinal fortitude to do it with bravado. This country is about to NATIONALIZE its oil supply - just as Saddam Hussein did in Iraq - and earn the wrath of the many American companies currently exporting Venezuelan oil to the U.S. (11-15% of U.S. supply). Looks like from here on in, it will be exported by a Venezuelan government, not by Exxon or Chevron. You go, Chavez! _______________________________ Sun Jan 21, 2007 Venezuela's Chavez tells Washington "go to hell" CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday called the U.S. secretary of state "my little girl" and told Washington to "go to hell" after it questioned his plan to seek special powers to legislate by decree. Chavez, a Cuba ally re-elected by a landslide in December, this month launched a campaign to consolidate power by nationalizing key industries, seeking expanded executive powers and pushing for unlimited presidential re-election. A State Department spokesman on Friday described Chavez's proposal to allow presidents to rule by decree as "a bit odd" in a democracy. "That is a sacrosanct legal authority of Venezuela. Go to hell, gringos! Go home! Go home!" Chavez said during his weekly Sunday broadcast. "We're free here, and every day we'll be more free." Chavez also took on U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who has described Chavez as a "negative force" in the region. "Hi Condoleezza, how are you? You've forgotten about me, my little girl," said Chavez, who last year called President George W. Bush "the devil" during a U.N. speech. Venezuela's legislature this week is expected to give its final approval to the Enabling Law that would grant Chavez 18 months to decree legislation. The former soldier has said he would use the expanded powers to end the autonomy of the nation's central bank, create a national police force and boost state control over the nation's oil industry, which provides around 11 percent of U.S. oil imports. State Department spokesman Tom Casey on Friday said the legislation by decree proposal was "a sovereign right of Venezuela but certainly ... a bit odd in terms of a democratic system." Chavez also plans to alter the nation's constitution, rewritten in 1999 following a campaign Chavez himself led, to boost state control over the economy and remove a two-term limit for presidents. He said he additionally plans to create new luxury taxes and raise Venezuela's rock-bottom gasoline prices -- currently around 13 cents per gallon -- and use the proceeds to finance community development groups. Chavez in 2001 decreed a package of 40 laws that paved the way for a sweeping land reform measure and higher taxes for oil companies. The move galvanized the country's fledgling opposition, which accused Chavez of authoritarianism and staged a botched coup six months later. The government says previous Venezuelan administrations used the Enabling Law, though opposition leaders say they reserved the law for emergency measures rather than divisive reforms. Chavez frequently describes the United States as a decadent empire and has promised to roll back Washington's influence in Latin America. The United States has criticized his close relationship with U.S. foes including Cuba, Iran and Syria, charging he has used the nation's oil wealth to meddle in the affairs of neighboring countries. """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" War is when the government tells you who the bad guy is. Revolution is when you decide that for yourself. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

Subject: Chavez to U.S.... Go to hell!
From: Winston Smith, American Patriot
Date: 1/22/2007 6:11:04 AM
"Capri" <capri142@usa.com> wrote in alt.politics.bush: > > >> >> Don't laugh too loud. When it comes to finding customers for oil, there >> is a long line. > > > True but the line is already lot smaller for investors and contractors > and riggers and drillers and everything else that makes an oil field > run. Venuzuela's oil infrastructure is already in sad shape and getting > worse. Chavez does not have the expertise, technology or manpower or > supplies to keep it running at optimal output. Thumbing his finger at > the west and western investment by nationalizing everything may make > the socialists happy but it makes for a poor country. Where do you get the idea that experts at oil extraction infrastructure are not available to Venezuela and to be paid handsomely by that government? Lay off the crack pipe.

Subject: Chavez to U.S.... Go to hell!
From: The Right One
Date: 1/22/2007 10:29:17 AM
So tell us Karen, where would you rather live. In Venezuela, where poverty is rampant? Or Alberta, which is one of the wealthiest regions on the North America continent? Proof once again, that socialism and poverty go hand in hand -- Terry Pearson http://www.rightpoint.org Shaping Canada's Destiny Dimwit Deilly's latest: Educated people don't drink coffee at Tim Horton's It has been proven that Deilly's comprehension of words does not exeed the level of grade nine. The Wisdom of Wajid Khan 'Tis better to soar with eagles, then to sit and squawk with the seagulls. "Karen Gordon" <ar231@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in message news:ep1as6$j5s$1@theodyn.ncf.ca... > (K): Can't help cheering for a little guy that's not only stood up to the > U.S. bully, but has the intestinal fortitude to do it with bravado. This > country is about to NATIONALIZE its oil supply - just as Saddam Hussein > did in Iraq - and earn the wrath of the many American companies currently > exporting Venezuelan oil to the U.S. (11-15% of U.S. supply). > > Looks like from here on in, it will be exported by a Venezuelan > government, > not by Exxon or Chevron. You go, Chavez! > _______________________________ > > Sun Jan 21, 2007 > > Venezuela's Chavez tells Washington "go to hell" > > > CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday called the > U.S. secretary of state "my little girl" and told Washington to "go to > hell" after it questioned his plan to seek special powers to legislate by > decree. > > Chavez, a Cuba ally re-elected by a landslide in December, this month > launched a campaign to consolidate power by nationalizing key industries, > seeking expanded executive powers and pushing for unlimited presidential > re-election. > > A State Department spokesman on Friday described Chavez's proposal to > allow presidents to rule by decree as "a bit odd" in a democracy. > > "That is a sacrosanct legal authority of Venezuela. Go to hell, gringos! > Go home! Go home!" Chavez said during his weekly Sunday broadcast. "We're > free here, and every day we'll be more free." > > Chavez also took on U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who has > described Chavez as a "negative force" in the region. > > "Hi Condoleezza, how are you? You've forgotten about me, my little girl," > said Chavez, who last year called President George W. Bush "the devil" > during a U.N. speech. > > Venezuela's legislature this week is expected to give its final approval > to the Enabling Law that would grant Chavez 18 months to decree > legislation. > > The former soldier has said he would use the expanded powers to end the > autonomy of the nation's central bank, create a national police force and > boost state control over the nation's oil industry, which provides around > 11 percent of U.S. oil imports. > > State Department spokesman Tom Casey on Friday said the legislation by > decree proposal was "a sovereign right of Venezuela but certainly ... a > bit odd in terms of a democratic system." > > Chavez also plans to alter the nation's constitution, rewritten in 1999 > following a campaign Chavez himself led, to boost state control over the > economy and remove a two-term limit for presidents. > > He said he additionally plans to create new luxury taxes and raise > Venezuela's rock-bottom gasoline prices -- currently around 13 cents per > gallon -- and use the proceeds to finance community development groups. > > Chavez in 2001 decreed a package of 40 laws that paved the way for a > sweeping land reform measure and higher taxes for oil companies. The move > galvanized the country's fledgling opposition, which accused Chavez of > authoritarianism and staged a botched coup six months later. > > The government says previous Venezuelan administrations used the Enabling > Law, though opposition leaders say they reserved the law for emergency > measures rather than divisive reforms. > > Chavez frequently describes the United States as a decadent empire and has > promised to roll back Washington's influence in Latin America. > > The United States has criticized his close relationship with U.S. foes > including Cuba, Iran and Syria, charging he has used the nation's oil > wealth to meddle in the affairs of neighboring countries. > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > War is when the government tells you who the bad guy is. > Revolution is when you decide that for yourself. > """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

Subject: Chavez to U.S.... Go to hell!
From: Morton Davis
Date: 1/22/2007 1:00:45 PM
"Stephen Green" <sd.green@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:s4Xsh.763910$1T2.368128@pd7urf2no... > Karen Gordon wrote: > > (K): Can't help cheering for a little guy that's not only stood up to the > > U.S. bully, but has the intestinal fortitude to do it with bravado. This > > country is about to NATIONALIZE its oil supply - just as Saddam Hussein > > did in Iraq - and earn the wrath of the many American companies currently > > exporting Venezuelan oil to the U.S. (11-15% of U.S. supply). > > > > Looks like from here on in, it will be exported by a Venezuelan government, > > not by Exxon or Chevron. You go, Chavez! > > _______________________________ > > > > Sun Jan 21, 2007 > > > > Venezuela's Chavez tells Washington "go to hell" > > > > > > CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday called the > > U.S. secretary of state "my little girl" and told Washington to "go to > > hell" after it questioned his plan to seek special powers to legislate by > > decree. > > > > Chavez, a Cuba ally re-elected by a landslide in December, this month > > launched a campaign to consolidate power by nationalizing key industries, > > seeking expanded executive powers and pushing for unlimited presidential > > re-election. > > > > A State Department spokesman on Friday described Chavez's proposal to > > allow presidents to rule by decree as "a bit odd" in a democracy. > > > > "That is a sacrosanct legal authority of Venezuela. Go to hell, gringos! > > Go home! Go home!" Chavez said during his weekly Sunday broadcast. "We're > > free here, and every day we'll be more free." > > > > Chavez also took on U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who has > > described Chavez as a "negative force" in the region. > > > > "Hi Condoleezza, how are you? You've forgotten about me, my little girl," > > said Chavez, who last year called President George W. Bush "the devil" > > during a U.N. speech. > > > > Venezuela's legislature this week is expected to give its final approval > > to the Enabling Law that would grant Chavez 18 months to decree > > legislation. > > > > The former soldier has said he would use the expanded powers to end the > > autonomy of the nation's central bank, create a national police force and > > boost state control over the nation's oil industry, which provides around > > 11 percent of U.S. oil imports. > > > > State Department spokesman Tom Casey on Friday said the legislation by > > decree proposal was "a sovereign right of Venezuela but certainly ... a > > bit odd in terms of a democratic system." > > > > Chavez also plans to alter the nation's constitution, rewritten in 1999 > > following a campaign Chavez himself led, to boost state control over the > > economy and remove a two-term limit for presidents. > > > > He said he additionally plans to create new luxury taxes and raise > > Venezuela's rock-bottom gasoline prices -- currently around 13 cents per > > gallon -- and use the proceeds to finance community development groups. > > > > Chavez in 2001 decreed a package of 40 laws that paved the way for a > > sweeping land reform measure and higher taxes for oil companies. The move > > galvanized the country's fledgling opposition, which accused Chavez of > > authoritarianism and staged a botched coup six months later. > > > > The government says previous Venezuelan administrations used the Enabling > > Law, though opposition leaders say they reserved the law for emergency > > measures rather than divisive reforms. > > > > Chavez frequently describes the United States as a decadent empire and has > > promised to roll back Washington's influence in Latin America. > > > > The United States has criticized his close relationship with U.S. foes > > including Cuba, Iran and Syria, charging he has used the nation's oil > > wealth to meddle in the affairs of neighboring countries. > > > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > War is when the government tells you who the bad guy is. > > Revolution is when you decide that for yourself. > > """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" > > > Chevas is on the wrong rung of the ladder. Socialism hass never worked. > The obnly thing he gaines is the title of Dictator. > > Watch this guy go down in flames as his economy goes down. > > Even China has rejected socialism. > > China only appears to have rejected socialism. Under the surface, socialism is alive and well and quite capable of rounding up all the capitalists and shooting them in the back of the head. China's olution to all social ills real or percieved.