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Subject: Destroyed WTC Evidence 9-11
From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes)
Date: 1/15/2007 1:02:02 PM
In article <qlfnq21pmgjbjc4sk407oa7iu5usphi7li@4ax.com>, Starfish <Starfish@somewhere.com> wrote: > >Destroyed WTC Evidence >http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/destroyed.html > >What Became of the Physical Evidence of the >WTC Attack Ground Zero was sealed off and >mopped up with astonishing speed. Some >photographs of it survive in spite of authorities' >efforts to prevent documentation of the crime >scene. > Lots of unsupprted assertions in the above. >Virtually none of the physical evidence of the >horrific crime of the September 11th attack on >Lower Manhattan survives. Had the towers >remained standing, much of the evidence of >the attack's first installment -- the aircraft impacts Huh? "Virtually none"? "Some 200 technical expertsout 85 career NIST experts and 125 leading experts from the private sector and academia documents, interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers until they began to collapse." http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm "Survives" is spin. It is true but implies that material was sent to the smelter with no attempt to examine and keep significant pieces. Much of the material was examined spooneful by spoonful by fire and NYFD personel. Yes, there was a rush to clean up, but you have made an assertion that we don't know, roughly., how the WTC buildings collapsed. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Harrison for Congress in NY 13CD www.harrison06.com Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001

Subject: Destroyed WTC Evidence 9-11
From: Freedom Fighter
Date: 1/15/2007 11:26:20 PM
"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message news:eogfiq$6vq$1@panix5.panix.com... > In article <qlfnq21pmgjbjc4sk407oa7iu5usphi7li@4ax.com>, > Starfish <Starfish@somewhere.com> wrote: >> >>Destroyed WTC Evidence >>http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/destroyed.html >> >>What Became of the Physical Evidence of the >>WTC Attack Ground Zero was sealed off and >>mopped up with astonishing speed. Some >>photographs of it survive in spite of authorities' >>efforts to prevent documentation of the crime >>scene. >> > > Lots of unsupprted assertions in the above. > >>Virtually none of the physical evidence of the >>horrific crime of the September 11th attack on >>Lower Manhattan survives. Had the towers >>remained standing, much of the evidence of >>the attack's first installment -- the aircraft impacts. > > Huh? "Virtually none"? > > "Some 200 technical expertsout 85 career NIST experts and 125 > leading experts from the private sector and academia documents, > interviewed more than 1,000 people, reviewed 7,000 segments of > video footage and 7,000 photographs, analyzed 236 pieces of > steel from the wreckage, performed laboratory tests and > sophisticated computer simulations of the sequence of events > that occurred from the moment the aircraft struck the towers > until they began to collapse." > > http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm NIST is a government agency. If you believe them, you would have no problem hiring the fox to guard your henhouse. > "Survives" is spin. It is true but implies that material was sent to > the smelter with no attempt to examine and keep significant pieces. > Much of the material was examined spooneful by spoonful by fire and > NYFD personel. > > Yes, there was a rush to clean up, but you have made an assertion that > we don't know, roughly., how the WTC buildings collapsed. -------- 9/11 was an INSIDE JOB! Patriotic Americans must demand that the new Democratic Congress open a new and independent investigation. 9/11 - the IRREFUTABLE FACTS and the EVIDENCE backing them up: WTC building 7 collapsed in a deliberate demolition by explosives just hours after the collapse of the twin towers. There is no other credible explanation for its collapse. The planes that struck the towers did not structurally damage building 7, and debris did only minor damage to it. No steel frame building has EVER collapsed from even a serious fire; the fires in building 7 were not extensive, and were only on a few of the lower floors. These probably were arson fires, as falling debris from the towers would have only ignited the roof and upper floors. Deliberate, pre-planned explosive demolition is the ONLY explanation for the sudden, complete, and near free-fall speed collapse of building 7. This is the weakest link in the official coverup - and the 9/11 Commission whitewash IGNORES building 7 entirely! See documentation at http://www.wtc7.net/ and http://www.prisonplanet.com/012004watson.html Explosive demolitions take considerable time to set up (see http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion1.htm). The explosives could not possibly have been properly placed around all thestructural supports and set up for detonation in building 7 in the few hours between the attacks and that building's collapse. Yet that collapse was clearly a professionally executed demolition by explosives. Therefore - THE DEMOLITION EXPLOSIVES IN BUILDING 7 WERE PUT IN PLACE PRIOR TO THE PLANES IMPACTING THE TWIN TOWERS! Therefore - The 9/11 attacks were KNOWN OF IN ADVANCE, and DELIBERATELY ALLOWED TO OCCUR! It was intended beforehand that building 7 and the twin towers all be completely destroyed, KILLING THE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE REMAINING IN THEM! Is this anything less than mass murder, the crime of the century aided and abetted if not perpetrated by HOMELAND terrorist traitors to America? The above facts, further documented below, do not alone rigorously prove that previously placed explosives likewise brought down the twin towers, but see the following: A paper published by Steven E. Jones, Professor of Physics, Brigham Young University, concludes that prepositioned demolition explosives brought down all three collapsed WTC buildings, not the plane impacts or fires. Consider these facts: 1. Pulverization of all three buildings: As we all saw, all three buildings collapsed to DUST, with unusually little solid debris remaining. It is clear that a 500,000 ton concrete and steel building cannot be turned to a huge cloud of dust in less than 15 seconds by a simple structural collapse, nor indeed by anything other than explosives. 2. Thermate residue in the metal: Professor Jones of Brigham Young University has tested the metal taken from the site, and a paper on his findings is available (http://www.journalof911studies.com/ or video at http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2842384983834100001&q=stephen+jones http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=...=stephen+jones The debris has tested positive for products of a THERMATE REACTION. Thermate is an incediary substance used to very quickly slice through thick steel. It is used together with high explosives in controlled demolitions. http://youtube.com/watch?v=WrCWLpRc1yM Professor Jones's findings have been scrutinized since June 2006 and are scientifically undisputed. They prove on their own that this was an inside job, as thermate could not have been present through any other circumstances. 3. Free fall collapses: The towers fell, according to the 9/11 Commission, at 9-10 seconds, and 7 for WTC7. This equates to almost free fall speed. The only way an object can free fall is if it encounters no more resistance in its fall than air. This cannot happen in a structural collapse, as the floors would pancake on top of one another, resulting in about 90 major points of inertial resistance to the fall. Free fall can only happen in a controlled demolition where all the supports are blown out at once or close to it, and the structures below the falling matter can offer little or no resistance. Check out Dutch controlled demolition expert Danny Jowenko's statement on this: http://www.911blogger.com/node/3231]http://www.911blogger.com/node/3231 4. Eyewitness reports: Shortly after 9/11, the FDNY recorded over 500 oral histories in which firefighters and emergency medical workers recounted their experiences of that day. Mayor Bloomberg's administration, however, has refused to release them. But the New York Times, joined by several families of 9/11 victims, filed suit and, after a long process, the New York Court of Appeals ordered the city to release the bulk of these oral histories, which it did in August 2005. The Times then made them publicly available http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_ full_01.html These oral histories contain many dozens of testimonies that speak of explosions and related phenomena characteristic of controlled demolition. Some examples: Several individuals reported that they witnessed an explosion just before one of the towers collapsed. Battalion Chief John Sudnik said: "we heard . . . what sounded like a loud explosion and looked up and I saw tower two start coming down" (NYT, Sudnick, p. 4). Several people reported multiple explosions. Paramedic Kevin Darnowski said: "I heard three explosions, and then . . . tower two started to come down" (NYT, Darnowski, p. 8). Firefighter Thomas Turilli said, "it almost sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight" (NYT, Turilli, p. 4). Craig Carlsen said that he and other firefighters "heard explosions coming from . . . the south tower. . . . There were about ten explosions. . . . We then realized the building started to come down" (NYT, Carlsen, pp. 5-6). Firefighter Joseph Meola said, "it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops" (NYT, Meola, p. 5). Paramedic Daniel Rivera also mentioned "pops." Asked how he knew that the south tower was coming down, he said: "It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was---do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'? . . . I thought it was that." (NYT, Rivera, p. 9) Timothy Burke said that "the building popped, lower than the fire. . . . I was going oh, my god, there is a secondary device because the way the building popped. I thought it was an explosion" (NYT, Burke, pp. 8-9). Firefighter Edward Cachia said: "It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit. . . . [W]e originally had thought there was like an internal detonation, explosives, because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down" (NYT, Cachia, p. 5). Some of the witnesses spoke of flashes and of phenomena suggestive of demolition rings: Assistant Commissioner Stephen Gregory said: "I thought . . . before . . . No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. . . . I . . . saw a flash flash flash . . . [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?" (NYT, Gregory, pp. 14-16). Further evidence can be found at: http://www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcontrolleddemolitionatwtc.htm This author has a master's degree in Engineering from Stanford University, and a Ph.D. in Psychology from the University of Oregon. MORE EVIDENCE OF THERMATE-EXPLOSIVE DEMOLITION: There were severalthousand pounds of still red-hot molten iron found under the three collapsed WTC buildings six weeks after the cleanup began. When metal is heated to over 3500 degrees F in a matter of seconds, and a piece falls away, it is effectively cut just as with an oxy-acetylene torch. This is how thermate is used to cut through steel from a safe distance. Demolition crews use it in conjunction with C-4 explosive "kicker" charges. Initiate the thermite by remote control, wait 12 seconds or so, then detonate the C-4 to "kick" the column or post away from its severed support. History can be rewritten, but the laws of physics cannot. Jet fuel can only reach about 1100 degrees F, nowhere near the temperature required to create a pool of molten iron slag. That only happens at thermate reaction temperatures. Thermate is a simple substance, made mostly of aluminum and iron oxide. When the reaction takes place, the iron oxide and aluminum become aluminum oxide and white-hot molten iron at a temperature of about 4500 F. Thermate requires at least 1400 degrees F to start its exothermic reaction, so you cannot ignite thermate by crashing an airplane into a building. And even if that were possible, how did the thermate get there in the first place, positioned to sever steel structural members? EVEN MORE EVIDENCE of the inside job: Many very small HUMAN BODY FRAGMENTS have been found on the roofs of nearby buildings. These were too far away to be from jumpers from the towers. If the towers simply collapsed from damage and fire, what blew these bodies to smithereens and sent the fragments flying for considerable distances? The plane impacts did not have the explosive brisance (shattering force) necessary to do this - only HIGH EXPLOSIVES, like C-4, can blow bodies to tiny bits. In addition, consider THE TOTAL FAILURE of our sophisticated NORAD AEROSPACE DEFENSE SYSTEM. Not even ONE of the FOUR hijacked jets flying at SUBSONIC speeds towards known terrorist targets was intercepted! Such a failure could not have happened without it being intentional. Military exercises were underway at the time that would make reports of hijacked planes appear to be merely part of the exercise. The attempts at official explanation for this inexplicable failure have been uniformly ludicrous. Possible motives? Do a Google search on the "Project For a New American Century," and the "New Pearl Harbor." Many deniers of these unprecedented crimes of mass murder are simply psychologically incapable of considering them possible. Misled by the corporate/government-controlled media, deceived by an elaborate cover-up, and indoctrinated with a perverted sense of "patriotism," they are under the delusion that only barbaric foreign terrorists could commit such inhuman atrocities. But foreign terrorists could not have planted demolition explosives in advance. HOMELAND TERRORISTS had to do that! The implications of this are literally unthinkable to many, which is just what the evil perpetrators of this crime against humanity are counting on. Given the shock and horror, the massive death and destruction of these events, irrational denial is understandable. History reveals despicable acts of terror by unscrupulous powers in the USSR, Germany, China, and elsewhere. Why would this evil side of human nature not surface here in America? Overcoming denial and exposing the truth is the only hope for saving us from a fascist regime of vicious killers as bad as the Nazis ever were. Should we wait to find out if they can be even worse? CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES IN CONGRESS AND THE SENATE. DEMAND A NEW AND INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF THIS MASS-MURDEROUS CRIME OF THE CENTURY! More 9/11 documentation: http://www.st911.org/ http://www.septembereleventh.org/kc/multimedia/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEJmcvTzYfo&NR http://911busters.com/911-Commission.html http://www.septembereleventh.org/audio.php http://911busters.com/SanFran04/index.html http://www.911truth.org/index.php?topic=gallery http://www.reopen911.org/ http://www.911truth.org/ http://www.911truthseekers.org/ http://www.911truthseekers.org/modules/news/ http://www.gnn.tv/ http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf http://www.911studies.com/index.html http://www.septembereleventh.org/index.php http://infowars.com/ http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ http://www.mujca.com/index.htm http://proliberty.com/observer/20051213.htm http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html http://911review.com/ http://guardian.250free.com/wtc/dust-cloud.htm http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html ------------------------ The Truth About September 11th From 23 Informative Websites Lovearth.net Has Put Together 23 Informative Websites To Help You Educate Yourself About This "War On Terror" 1) Exposing The NORAD Wag The 911 Window Dressing Tale Using NORAD's Own Press Release And Fifth Grade Math Published January 8, 2003 http://www.StandDown.net 2) The Most Comprehensive Minute By Minute Timeline On 911 Published September 9, 2002 http://www.911Timeline.net 3) My Country Right Or Wrong - Questioning September 11th Published October 22, 2001 http://www.MyCountryRightOrWrong.net 4) More Than 500 Great Articles About 911 From Around The World Online since September 13, 2001 http://www.AttackOnAmerica.net 5) Tuesday, September 11, 2001, And The Three Top Sins Of The Universe Published February 9, 2002 http://www.September112001.net 6) Audios, Videos, Photographs, Polls, Petition And News Archive http://www.9112001.net 7) Bin Laden Family Money & Bush 41 & 43 Conflict Of War Profit Interest http://www.CarlyleGroup.net 8) The History Of Oil And War - The U. 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Subject: Destroyed WTC Evidence 9-11
From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes)
Date: 1/17/2007 3:03:30 PM
In article <1169063203.035873.4630@l53g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Daniel <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote: >Freedom Fighter wrote: > >> Therefore - >> THE DEMOLITION EXPLOSIVES IN BUILDING 7 WERE PUT IN >> PLACE PRIOR TO THE PLANES IMPACTING THE TWIN TOWERS! > > >Ok, want to convince me? Answer these simple questions. > >1. How much explosives were used? >2. How many people would it have taken to do all of the pre-demolition >work? >3. How long would it take to do ALL of the pre-demolition work on thw >WTC complex? >4. When was the pre-demolition work done? >5. How did the conspirators manage to get all of the heavy eqiupment >into the complex without anyone noticing? >6. How much were they paid? > And how would you get all that stuff up the freight elevators which are in tight demand, especially off-hours, and there are *lots* of other construction people around working on other floors. They expect to talk shop while waiting for the next car. Union people can get *very* interested in who strange people are and what they are doing. How would they get past all the tennent-controlled security and the 24-hour staffed operations which don't let strangers in, let alone do any construction, without *lots* of planning. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Harrison for Congress in NY 13CD www.harrison06.com Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001

Subject: Destroyed WTC Evidence 9-11
From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes)
Date: 1/19/2007 2:51:33 PM
In article <1169235243.352253.161810@51g2000cwl.googlegroups.com>, Daniel <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote: > >Starfish wrote: >> On 17 Jan 2007 11:46:43 -0800, "Daniel" <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >Freedom Fighter wrote: >> > >> >> Therefore - >> >> THE DEMOLITION EXPLOSIVES IN BUILDING 7 WERE PUT IN >> >> PLACE PRIOR TO THE PLANES IMPACTING THE TWIN TOWERS! >> > >> > >> >Ok, want to convince me? Answer these simple questions. >> > >> >1. How much explosives were used? >> >2. How many people would it have taken to do all of the pre-demolition >> >work? >> >3. How long would it take to do ALL of the pre-demolition work on thw >> >WTC complex? >> >4. When was the pre-demolition work done? >> >5. How did the conspirators manage to get all of the heavy eqiupment >> >into the complex without anyone noticing? >> >6. How much were they paid? >> >> These aren't the questions that need to be asked. >> The questions that need to be asked are what were >> all these anomalies in the attacks and it's aftermath and >> how are they explained? > > >No, you dumbshit, these are the questions that need to be answered >before you can hope to get ONE thinking person to fall for your k00k BS. > What "anomalies". We can't answer them if you can't name them. -- a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m Harrison for Congress in NY 13CD www.harrison06.com Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001