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Bernie ward once cost KGO sixty days of safeway's spots. Stations. Advertisers. Hosts. They come and they go. Thanks for playing. Buck "Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:1168106785.278680.237130@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com... > Here's a fight worth getting into, as it involves a local radio > station, KSFO, its frequently rabid talk show hosts and its owner, > ABC/Disney. Sometime ago, an obscure blogger name "Spocko" started a > letter-writing campaign to KSFO's advertisers (like Visa, Mastercard, > AT&T), calling their attention to the violent, hateful rhetoric > indulged in by KFSO hosts, such as Melanie Morgan, Lee Rogers, Tom > Brenner and Brian Sussman. Here's a few examples: > > "Now you start with the Sear's Diehard the battery cables > connected > to his testicles and you entertain him with that for awhile and > then > you blow his bleeping head off. " > > "Whoever did that [a protestor at a Cindy Sheehan event] should > have been > stomped to death right there. Just stomp their bleeping guts > out." > > "We've got a bulls-eye painted on her [Nancy Pelosi's] big > laughing eyes." > > There are several audio clips with similar content at: > > http://blogintegrityblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2007/01/ksfos-eliminationist-tendencies-c aught.html > > Here's more background info: > > http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/1/3/202110/2838 > > Back to the story at hand, when advertisers started pulling their spots > from KSFO, ABC/Disney had their lawyers write cease and desist letters > and succeeded in getting Spocko's service provider to pull his blog > site. Funny how money (or the loss of it) changes things. > > ABC/Disney sells time on KSFO on the notion that the station offers > wholesome, community-minded content that advertisers can feel good > about being associated with. Far from the truth. This isn't a free > speech issue - Morgan, Rogers, et al have the right to say whatever > fool things they want, BUT advertisers have the right to decide whether > or not they want to be associated with such rhetoric. >

"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:1168106785.278680.237130@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com... > Here's a fight worth getting into, as it involves a local radio > station, KSFO, its frequently rabid talk show hosts and its owner, > ABC/Disney. Sometime ago, an obscure blogger name "Spocko" started a > letter-writing campaign to KSFO's advertisers (like Visa, Mastercard, > AT&T), calling their attention to the violent, hateful rhetoric > indulged in by KFSO hosts, such as Melanie Morgan, Lee Rogers, Tom > Brenner and Brian Sussman. Here's a few examples: > > "Now you start with the Sear's Diehard the battery cables > connected > to his testicles and you entertain him with that for awhile and > then > you blow his bleeping head off. " > > "Whoever did that [a protestor at a Cindy Sheehan event] should > have been > stomped to death right there. Just stomp their bleeping guts > out." > > "We've got a bulls-eye painted on her [Nancy Pelosi's] big > laughing eyes." Free speech is a bitch when the other side practices it, right?

<leanstotheleft@democrat.com> wrote in message news:1168137898.107714.314260@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > JD wrote: > > It's the beginning of the month and the beginning of the year. Many ad > > contracts haven't been signed. Look for new commercials on a station > > near you. ;-) > > > > JD > > > > David Kaye wrote: > > > Spartakus wrote: > > > > Here's a fight worth getting into, as it involves a local radio > > > > station, KSFO, its frequently rabid talk show hosts and its owner, > > > > ABC/Disney. > > > > > > KGO's ad count has also been down lately. Both Gene Burns and John > > > Rothmann have commented that the spots are very light right now. Last > > > night I listened to Rothmann for awhile. He had two spots during his > > > hour (excluding news and Metro Traffic). Even for the overnight that's > > > low. > > KQKE ad count is still up there, but the sponsors are so flaky I doubt > they pay much for the spots More get rich quick schemes and a male > "enhancer" that works in 3 to 5 seconds. > > BTW, not mentioned yet on ba.broadcast, but all those dumb ass diet > scams like Trim-Spa had to pay fines to the FCC for their misleading > advertising. I recall a few KGO news readers pimped for Trim-Spa. I > don't know if they had a choice in the matter. > The FTC fined 4 weight loss supplement products $25 million (a slap on the wrist for them) for giving misleading information but let them continue selling the junk. Even though the products were proved ineffective, the FDA would not act. KGO continues to advertise fake supplements, sometimes during the Dr. Edell show. He says he can do nothing about it. Cable TV is full of ads for this junk. Robert Robert >

"David Kaye" <sfdavidkaye2@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1168152766.544882.100400@s80g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > John Higdon wrote: > > > The one thing we don't know is the scope of those excerpts. A few > > seconds-worth of examples would be one thing. Entire programs would be > > another. > > This is true. I'm assuming, based on the blog link Norm provided, that > these were short excerpts used as evidence to support his contention. > > > And I don't know anyone with deep pockets who wants to throw money at > > someone whose "lofty purpose" is to defame a business and cause it > > financial for no good reason. > > I can see his point, and in years gone by I might have pursued > something like this myself. The comments made on KSFO (I've heard some > of them but not the ones in question) are certainly inflammatory, Any more so than those made by their counterparts on the left? How about those made by rappers who refer to women as "bitches" and "ho's"? Just as I do when I don't care to listen to some crack-smoking cretin try his hands at verse in Ebonics, he's welcome to turn the dial if he's offended... :O| > were they made by a leftist against George W or a Republican member of > Congress, you can bet that this stuff would have been stopped in its > tracks, invoking every possible anti-terrorist law on the books. Sorry, but Air America wasn't stopped by government intervention. It was stopped by the fact that people didn't care to listen to it, and advertisers didn't feel like pissing their money down a hole...

In article <1168399593.401422.91700@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, spartakus@my-deja.com wrote: > What's dirty about contacting advertisers to give them a heads-up > regarding what they are really buying? First, advertisers can listen to the unedited, unexpurgated version anytime they want. What they're getting from Spocko is a slanted, out-of-context, edited presentation. > Don't try to pull that. Do you actually have an original idea in your head? Using my words in your arguments is nice as a one-time device, but it's wearing thin. > Do you really believe that KSFO's declining > advertising revenue is bringing ABC/Disney to its knees, forcing it to > cut pay and benefits for its employees? Either you are indulging in > insincere blather or you are the biggest maroon posting on the ba.* > heirarchy. Do you think the salespeople get their commissions when the clients cancel. Obviously, you are not knowledgeable regarding the inner workings of radio. > There are several - the FCC comes immediately to mind and there are > others as well. What FCC regulations have been violated here, pray tell? > Since you deny any standard of what is acceptable discourse, what's to > stop someone from using this comment as a bon mote at the water cooler > where you work? Does that sound OK to you? I fail to see the horror. > How about your family's Thanksgiving dinner? Your church's potluck? > Your mother's funeral? What has this got to do with radio broadcasting? If you hear something on the radio you don't like, change the station. Turn it off. Whatever. > These talk show hosts speak about bringing pain and violent death to > all sorts of people they hate or disagree with. I know several people > they talk this way about and I am one such person myself. I take their > words personally. You'd better believe that if there is some leverage > I can use to influence their choice of content, I will use it. Then don't listen. No one is forcing you. You, however, do not have the right to dictate to others what they may or may not hear. -- John Higdon +1 408 266 4400

"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:1168483712.694844.222280@p59g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > John Higdon wrote: > > spartakus@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > What's dirty about contacting advertisers to give them a heads-up > > > regarding what they are really buying? > > > First, advertisers can listen to the unedited, unexpurgated version > > anytime they want. > > Do they? Or do they accept the ad rep's description of a radio > station's content at face value? Do you think that Bank of America and > Mastercard were told up front that KSFO has a stable of hosts who love > talking about torturing and killing brown people, Muslims, libberuls, > etc? I listen to Sussman in the morning when he's on, and in the evening, and don't recall him saying ANYTHING about killing "brown people". Do you have any sources or cites to back up your claim, or is this more of your lying bullshit? As far as Muslims, I might give a shit if they didn't have a reputation of threatening Jews, Israelis, and Americans. The Allah-worshippers have made their own bed on this one, so they can lie in it for all I care. :O|

In article <1168571847.377661.259560@11g2000cwr.googlegroups.com>, spartakus@my-deja.com wrote: > b. Some people can be incited to violence by hearing words of > violence over and over again. Ah...the very argument governments themselves use when they want to silence "dangerous" speech. > 2. Words are tools, like fire. They can heat your home and cook your > food, or they can burn your house down and kill you. Nonsense. Speech, per se, does not harm people. Ever. > Your indifference to the power of language hardly makes YOU "the final > arbiter and judge" of acceptability. Exactly the opposite. I don't judge the acceptability of speech. You apparently do. > You're either a liar or an idiot. You may be both, now that I think of > it. Because I consider all speech acceptable? That sounds more like "tolerance"...something in very short supply in this region. > > I think it's a tempest in a teapot. Does that answer your question? > > No. Try again. One shot to a customer. Your question will remain unanswered. > > That's not what Arbitron says. > > Hand-waving. Huh? > Not always. And catering to the lowest common denominator is a mistake > if you want attract listeners with disposable incomes. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you were knowledgeable concerning broadcasting. My mistake. -- John Higdon +1 408 266 4400