Just in the past two days, a 92 year-old woman was shot to death by plainclothes police who were serving a search warrant for drugs (no drugs were found, and it was very probable she didn't know who these men were who were invading her property), and an unarmed man was shot to death by NYC police on his way from a bachelor party. When revolution comes -- and God willing it is coming -- I'll be first in line cheering the destruction of the fascist state and reestablishment of our fundamental constitutional rights: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness." "yassahmassa" <father@heaven.invalid> wrote in message news:father-F4ED37.02580727112 006@news.supernews.com... > I watched a terribly disturbing documentary this evening< "Waco: Rules > of Engagement". > > It is 2:40 AM. I don't know if I will ever get to sleep tonight. > > 76 men, women, children and retirees were trapped, surrounded, and then > threatened, tortured and murdered. Some were gassed to death as > efficiently as in Auschwitz or Iraq. The remaining survivors were > finally shot down in cold blood while trying to escape the lethal > inferno deliberately set by federal agents. The victims plead over the > phone for the assault to stop; a child inside asks an ATF negotiator, > "are you coming to kill us?" The mini-holocaust condemned by the local > police (the Waco sheriff, who knew these people personally), the state > police (the Texas Rangers, for pete's sake), the video evidence and > even some of the assault participants. > > As for the rest of us who watched it on TV, who read about it in the > newspapers... those of us who watched and did nothing< we were > deceived. The media was complicit, obediently repeating everything the > government said: David Koresh was a faux-messiah with violent > tendencies (lie). His followers would die for him (lie). The Branch > Davidians were a new "cult" (lie). The Branch Davidians were > stockpiling illegal weapons to use in a revolution against the > established order (lie). The FBI never fired a shot during the 51-day > siege (lie). The victims all killed themselves and their children like > Jim Jones and his KoolAid followers in Guyana (lie). > > A really chilling scene: the ATF official in charge at the scene tells > a probing reporter: "We won't talk about tactics." Shades of George W. > Bush. > > Lies, lies, lies, all of them coming from the government. Blatant, > self-serving, outrageous perjury at Congressional hearings. Perjury > resulting in acquittal. > > The evidence presented against the authorities for this massacre of > innocents is massive and unassailable. The FBI and the ATF did murder > these people, including babies and frail old folks. At first, for > nothing. Later, for revenge. > > The government, despite its denials, almost certainly did fire the > first shots. They absolutely did conveniently "lose" potentially > damning evidence. They absolutely did deliberately destroy the crime > scene, obliterating all local forensic evidence. The perpetrating > officials, who might well include Janet Reno and even Bill Clinton > (even if they were not directly involved in the decision to kill the > Branch Davidians they were obscenely negligent in their > responsibility), have never been prosecuted. > > While watching this movie, I had a fantasy of thousands, maybe tens of > thousands of Americans marching on Waco during the siege. Placing > themselves between the federal forces and the innocents inside the Waco > church. If only. If only. God help us. > > If the U.S. government could perpetrate, without consequence, a horror > like this< in full view of the television cameras< no wonder so many of > us believe it could bring down the World Trade Center. I think U.S. > flags nationwide should fly at half staff every year to commemorate > this black date in our history: April 19, 1993. I will never forget > that date again. By the end of this movie, I was choking and sick. > Devastated. > > Every American should see this Oscar-nominated movie. If you have cable > television, it is currently playing on the Documentary Channel. If not, > it is available from any large video rental place, perhaps even your > local public library. You may not be as thoroughly convinced as I am > that these were crimes against humanity, against innocent citizens of > the United States, but you will definitely come away with questions. > Hopefully, we will all of us together demand that they be answered. > Truthfully, for once. > > ***

In article <father-F4ED37.02580727112006@news.supernews.com>, yassahmassa <father@heaven.invalid> wrote: > I watched a terribly disturbing documentary this evening‹ "Waco: Rules > of Engagement". > While watching this movie, I had a fantasy of thousands, maybe tens of > thousands of Americans marching on Waco during the siege. Placing > themselves between the federal forces and the innocents inside the Waco > church. If only. If only. God help us. Why would anyone do that? The feds went to Waco to serve a legally obtained warrant for the arrest of a person accused of a federal crime. When the feds attempted to serve this warrant, they were fired upon by a gang of outlaws, killing at least one federal agent. Anyone who feels sympathy for the band of outlaw murderers inside that building is simply nuts. When a group of outlaws takes up arms against the US and kills federal agents, there can only be one outcome. They will be taken into custody or killed. It is unfortunate that women and children got caught in the cross-fire and died. Keep in mind that Koresh was given more than 50 days to let the women and children go. The fact that Koresh was unwilling to release his hostages means that Koresh was responsible for their deaths, not the US Government. Remember, if the activities at Mt Carmel were legal, there would never have been a need for a raid. Koresh was the criminal. Don't fall into the trap of seeing glory in his nutty behavior. There is no glory in raping underage girls, killing federal agents, or holding helpless people hostage. -john- -- ====================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ======================================================================

"John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> wrote in message news:john-39B09A.06333227112006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net... In article <father-F4ED37.02580727112006@news.supernews.com>, yassahmassa <father@heaven.invalid> wrote: > I watched a terribly disturbing documentary this evening< "Waco: Rules > of Engagement". > While watching this movie, I had a fantasy of thousands, maybe tens of > thousands of Americans marching on Waco during the siege. Placing > themselves between the federal forces and the innocents inside the Waco > church. If only. If only. God help us. Why would anyone do that? The feds went to Waco to serve a legally obtained warrant for the arrest of a person accused of a federal crime. When the feds attempted to serve this warrant, they were fired upon by a gang of outlaws, killing at least one federal agent. Anyone who feels sympathy for the band of outlaw murderers inside that building is simply nuts. When a group of outlaws takes up arms against the US and kills federal agents, there can only be one outcome. They will be taken into custody or killed. It is unfortunate that women and children got caught in the cross-fire and died. Keep in mind that Koresh was given more than 50 days to let the women and children go. The fact that Koresh was unwilling to release his hostages means that Koresh was responsible for their deaths, not the US Government. Remember, if the activities at Mt Carmel were legal, there would never have been a need for a raid. Koresh was the criminal. Don't fall into the trap of seeing glory in his nutty behavior. There is no glory in raping underage girls, killing federal agents, or holding helpless people hostage. -john- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The warrant was for one person, the leader. He frequently went into Waco and was seen running errends etc. At any time, the warrant could have been served out in the public with only one person involved, not a whole compound full of innocent people. Janet Reno was trying to make a big public show of her power, and it backfired, killing innocent people. ______________________________________________________ -- ====================================================================== John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708 john@johnweeks.com Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com ======================================================================

"yassahmassa" <father@heaven.invalid> wrote in message news:father-CBEF5B.18443628112 006@news.supernews.com... > In article <wiyah.16187$9v5.8801@newssvr29.news.prodigy.net>, > "blahblah_nospam@sbcglobal.net" <EDM_spamblock_@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > When revolution comes -- and God willing it is coming -- I'll be > > first in line cheering the destruction of the fascist state and > > reestablishment of our fundamental constitutional rights: > > For me it seems best to demand a stop to this kind of senseless > killing, not to promote more of it. For the first time in my life, I > fully understand what impelled Timothy McVeigh. Even so, I cannot > countenance what he did. I fully expect the revolution will be either completely bloodless, or very nearly so. We're at the point where virtually everyone, regardless of political affiliation recognizes what the problem is: government is not only out of control, there is no prospect of ever getting it back in control. We're enslaved to a corrupt two-party political system, with a corrupt mass media whose primary job is to simply make sure this pathetic status quo stays that way forever. So we're left with only two eventual outcomes: totalitarianism or revolt. I'm cheering for the latter.